How to Stop a Dog from Cataloging

Last month, I was teaching a seminar and during the open question period someone asked “how do you stop a dog from cataloging?”

“Cataloging” in scent work, is used to describe a dog who gets into a search area, often goes directly to the odor, but doesn’t alert on it, just moves off, sometimes finding another odor, sometimes just sniffing around the room before coming back and alerting on it.

So in the sports world, this is obviously a problem, since our system is based on rewarding the fastest search. At some point, when the scent sports were starting, some judge or trainer or ex-cop remarked that a dog “cataloging” was some sort of  terrible flaw.

The sports folk snapped up that term and have been using it ever since, always in a very derogative sense. Which drives me crazy, because a dog checking the search area before starting to alert IS NOT necessarily a flaw.

Astra was the dog who taught me this. She is a cataloger par excellence. Typically when she goes into a search area, she does a round of the area, generally marking the places of the hides with little nods of her head. And then she will start alerting. Often, depending on the difficulty of the hides, she will alert on them by going directly to them one after another, not pausing until she is done. There is really no time lost by her doing this. And it is positively magical to watch.

Here is a video of Yeti doing a nice “cataloging” round before alerting on a ladder hide:

I have watched dogs who have a “fast start”—they go directly to hide right off the start line, but then they lose a lot of time finding the second and third hide, often floundering around the search area. Most of the time they do not end up being faster than Astra.

This tendency to catalog is what I call a search “style.” Most dogs have one, it is just a collection of patterns or habits that they use when they search. The cataloging, or as I call it, the orientation round that happens before alerting starts, also usually goes hand in hand with the dog’s tendency to  work the very edge of the scent cone in order to gather information about source. This is also very magical to watch—the dog will be sniffing along one wall of the room, pause, and then suddenly run directly to source on the other side of the room. It is totally counter-intuitive to humans, who use the directness of vision to locate things—I mean, how could you possibly find something on one side of the room by looking on the other side? And yet I have seen this happen again and again.

Here is Yeti doing this in a very small novice search. He initially misses the hide in the corner, and then gets some information while sniffing the garbage can on the other side of the room and goes directly to the hide.

I see this happen most often with the field dogs—GSPs, Vizlas, setters, spaniels, etc. (although not exclusively. I have one student with a little Yorkshire terrier student who does this with great style). It makes sense: when you are searching acres of land for a bird (or in the case of Lagottos, a mushroom). Gathering information by using the edge of the cone is really the most efficient way to find your target. If you actually searched each individual bush or tuft of grass, it would take forever to find anything. Using the edge of the cone allows you to hone in on your target from a distance.

The herding breeds (Aussies, Border Collies, German Shepherds, etc.) as well as some of the retrievers—the labs and golden retrievers tend to work a more direct line to the source approach. This style is  preferred by the scent work people as it is more easily understood and is sometimes, but not always, faster.

So, back to the question asked at the seminar: how can you stop a dog from cataloging?

My answer is basically “why would you want to?” which doesn’t satisfy anyone who asks that question, but hopefully makes them think.

The more direct answer is you really can’t. At least, not in my experience. Early in my career, I did make some attempts at it. I experimented with various techniques with  Astra just after I got her: I tried stopping her at the first hide when she went on her orientation round in the search area, I tried keeping her on leash and circling her around back to the hide when she tried to leave it, I tried just rewarding with a lot of treats at the first hide. The results of these “training” attempts? She shut down and refused to search. I have seen and spoken to others who have also tried to stop the cataloging, with very little success.

I believe that “cataloging” is like humans’ “handedness” (yes, that is an actual term, I just looked it up) that is, using our right or left hands for most tasks. Using one or the other hand is a tendency that we are born with, and while it can be changed, the process of changing it is likely to be painful and take a lot of time and effort.

Since nose work is something that we do for fun, and hopefully, our dogs’ enrichment, I can’t imagine that trying to train them out of this tendency is really worth it. Instead, stand back and enjoy the spectacle, the wonder, of your dog working the odor in whatever way!

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15 responses to “How to Stop a Dog from Cataloging”

  1. Karen Cannard Avatar
    Karen Cannard

    Wow! Thank you! I have Rottweilers and so far most of them do this (have worked at least 6 dogs most related) . We were told it was because they wanted to keep searching and if they alerted it would be over. It caused frustration on our part but ultimately I prefer solid searching than speed. So thank you for this!

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    1. ellenheavner Avatar

      I have heard this same thing from various people over the years, about the dog not wanting to stop searching, and I personally think it is BS. They search that way because it is works for them, and the least we can do is let them get on with it. Thanks For commenting!

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  2. Laura Fulton Avatar
    Laura Fulton

    I have a GSP and we’ve been competing in NACSW Scentwork for 2 years now and have 2 NW3 Titles. Thank you for describing this so well. I always said that Mika was taking inventory to see the set up, before she alerted on any hides. She is my first Nosework dog and my first GSP! It’s been fascinating watching her style. I am in AWE! And so honored to have her on my team!
    Thank you
    Laura
    All typos courtesy of iPhone

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    1. wondrous729a69cb97 Avatar
      wondrous729a69cb97

      I also have a young female GSP who catalogs.I have mistaken it for over exuberance and used to call her back to tell her to FIND IT,.But watching Astra in the video, I realized that she is really gathering scent information. She is a fast mostly accurate worker. Definitely will let her do it her way and use duct tape if necessary for me. Thank you for all the information given on your site

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      1. ellenheavner Avatar

        It’s so nice to hear from all of you who have experienced this! Thanks for commenting!! The GSPs, in my experience, are amazing scent dogs, enjoy your girl to the fullest and just let her work!

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  3. Patricia Silverman Avatar
    Patricia Silverman

    Thank you, Ellen, for taking the time to consider and share your perspective. I find it refreshing and informative.

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    1. ellenheavner Avatar

      thanks for reading and commenting!

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  4. universally3a2a5344a1 Avatar
    universally3a2a5344a1

    Hi I learned so much after attending you Detective seminar

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    1. ellenheavner Avatar

      Thanks so much! I had a ton of fun teaching!

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  5. andreavaughan36ef6c285a Avatar
    andreavaughan36ef6c285a

    I loved this article! I have an English Cocker Spaniel who does “cataloging” and could never understand why he first had to “tour” the area before alerting. Thankfully, I never tried to change this behavior and now this article has explained why he does this and that I should never try to change him. Thank you!! Andrea VaughaCamano Island, WA

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    1. ellenheavner Avatar

      You are very welcome! Thanks for commenting!

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  6. Katrina Avatar

    Thank you for this!!! I have a Cardigan Corgi, Hazel, who I joke is the Queen of the Dewey Decimal System aka cataloging! LOL LOL

    She is my first dog I have really trained and titled for anything and it’s been a journey and joy. But I have watched her change from her novice days to our now master/detective days. In the beginning she was fast and pretty much did a beeline. As we have moved up, she has begun to catalog more. I have felt that it is due to bigger area, number of hides increased, etc. and she is wanting to cover all the bases. At first it drove me bonkers, but now I just joke about it!

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    1. ellenheavner Avatar

      It is easy for the dogs to locate one hide. As the number of hides increases they have to gather more information and do a lot more “sorting” of odors. Scoping out the area first to gather information makes a lot more sense! She is a smart dog!

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  7. Theresa ann Boxdorfer Avatar
    Theresa ann Boxdorfer

    Thank you for the explanation. I also have a GSP and he works just like that. It makes sense. He also tracks differently sweeping back and forth over the track which seems to be common with some of the pointing breeds. Thank you!

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  8. delightfulinstantly74d073ba77 Avatar
    delightfulinstantly74d073ba77

    Thank you Ellen. Heidi loves cataloging. She generally makes
    a loop and then begins what I call her reveling in following the scent cone. I love to watch her and it is magical. She loves it so much.. She may never win the fast ribbons, but she sure enjoys herself. Thank you so much for explaining what my Heidi is doing.

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