Can Dogs Count?

Can Dogs Count?

I am running Yeti in practice. It’s a largish outside area, and he started off well, getting a hide near the start and moving quickly to source another. He has circled the area and is slowing now, and I get ready to call another alert. When I have rewarded him for the third hide, we move on, and I watch him slow even more.

“Ok, watch this” I say to my friend, “he is gonna stop searching now and start looking back at me”

Sure enough, I see him pause, and then he makes a full stop and looks at me, tongue hanging out, eyes bright.

I know there are four hides and we have only found three.

“Let’s go, buddy, let’s keep searching, there’s another one,”

I survey the area, trying to see if there is a place we have missed. Maybe that corner with the trailers, I am not sure we went all the way around them. We go back to check the two storage trailers parked in the corner. Yeti dutifully sniffs around them, but I see no signs that he is getting any target odor.

He stops and looks at me again. “I dunno Yeti, what do you think? There has to be one more…”

I encourage him to pick a direction, but he is adamant in his decision: he has found everything that he can. He has done his job and doesn’t feel inclined to put in overtime.

I turn to my helper “Ok, we need a clue.” She directs us over to a wall that I thought we had covered, and after some more urging, I convince Yeti to keep going and we find the fourth hide. (It seemed fully accessible, but perhaps it was one of those scent problems that needed the proper angle to figure it out….the mysterious of scent work are legion)

I hate the fact that Yeti very predictably stops searching after the third hide, it drives me crazy. And yet I also know that it is my fault.

I have spent a lot of time in the last 6 months training for Masters Interiors where the maximum number of hides is three—in fact, I have overtrained stopping after three hides. Yeti has internalized this, and automatically stops after finding three. He thinks we should be done. It is a matter of habit, and it is undo-able, but in the meantime, I have to put up with the “ok I am done” attitude—not good since we are planning on entering Detective next month, where there are always at least 5 hides.

There are people who would say that dogs couldn’t possibly know how many hides they have found—that counting is beyond their intellectual capacity.

I have absolutely found that they can. Can they do arithmetic? Well, that may be questionable. Arithmetic involves the manipulation of abstract symbols, and I am not sure that is possible for dogs (although I wouldn’t rule it out entirely).

I suspect that their ability is more like a sharpened sense of physical observation. After a certain number of repetitions they can feel what the maximum is.

Astra went through a period when she would stop searching after three hides, after we finished our Master level. She quickly adjusted, with just a little urging, since she is a lovely soft, agreeable dog. Yeti has a very hard head, so I am anticipating a lot more struggle with him.

I am not the only one who has experience this sort of phenomena. I remember when I was working a sheltie in obedience. At that time I belonged to a club with a clubhouse, where we went to practice our go-outs . I was warned by the training director that I needed to practice in other places—the clubhouse was shorter than the standard obedience ring, and many of the members had failed in competition because their dogs would run out only so far, and then turn around and sit, before the command was given. They had internalized the exact distance of the length of the clubhouse, and would go no further.

I had a friend who was competing in water dog trials. These are competitions for Portuguese water dogs which showcase the traditions skills of that breed—swimming and retrieving nets, diving from boats, etc. There are, apparently, required distances for some of these events, and my friend told me that one of her dogs had memorized the minimum distance and would not swim one stroke over that.

There is no end to our dog’s cleverness.

As for Yeti, I know what I have to do. Drill 4, 5, 6 hides and work up to even more gradually.

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4 responses to “Can Dogs Count?”

  1. xphilosopher Avatar
    xphilosopher

    I totally believe your dog is counting the hides!

    I absolutely believe that dogs can count and do other higher skills attributed only to humans. I tell clients that “dogs can count, but they cannot do weights and measures!” If you break one cookie in half, that’s TWO cookies and twice as good to my dogs! They would much rather have ten tiny cookies than one big one.

    Dogs can also tell time, especially if owners have a set schedule. My dogs knew exactly what time I would be home in the morning after a midnight shift. Long before they could possibly hear my car, my Dad said that my Sheltie would get up from a deep sleep and lie by the front door – something he only did when he knew I was arriving home very soon. And this had nothing to do with anything going on in the house. My Dad would be reading a book in his recliner, completely unaware of what time it was until the dog’s behavior made him notice it.

    My current Sheltie can also tell how long five minutes is. When she bothers me for attention or to go out, I will hold up my palm with fingers extended and tell her she has to wait five minutes. She will immediately turn and walk away, finding a spot to lie down somewhere else. I will go back to working on my phone or computer, and forget all about her (doing nothing to trigger this behavior). In exactly five minutes, she will be back, standing in front of me & staring! I started glancing up at the digital clock on the cable box over the tv – and I realized that EVERY time, she would come back in exactly five minutes. Not sure how she figured this out, since nothing in her life has a five minute time limit. We never did five minute stays or anything else that required waiting five minutes. That are amazing! Lynne

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  2. jeanninemay Avatar
    jeanninemay

    you might like the research that Ken Ramirez has done on ‘Counting’. http://www.clickertraining.com/node/5002

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  3. cteff1 Avatar
    cteff1

    Thank you!  That is very interesting.  I have notice Siri is starting to stop after 3 hides, now I better understand why. Cathy Teff 

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  4. skylarhailey5123ec6930 Avatar
    skylarhailey5123ec6930

    I hope this post’s anonymously, I prefer not to use my name. Perhaps you can edit it out if needed.

    My older dog clearly counts up to 3. I notices this early training tricks. This has not affected scent work. We are in master interior and I have not focused on training up to 3 hides. We train with the occasional blank room. I have also worked spaces where we have some hides concentrated in one area leaving a blank area in the other to clear. We compete in several organizations which have different rules so I try to keep our searches more general. I do know of one dog who was introduced to odor and only training on one hide for a significant amount of time. When introduced to 2 or 3 hides, the dog would find one but then got so frustrated. It was sad to watch because the dog was high drive, young and smart. The handler and dog eventually worked through this and now the dog has no problem, but it took almost a year of taking the dog to 2nd or 3rd hides and treating him at source to get over the fixation.

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